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  • Christians Together : Israel's rebirth in May 1948
    the Lord Jesus Christ Clive Roberts Guest 06 01 2009 15 27 The verses following Ezek 37 14 make it clear that what God is doing will do is to unite the two separate tribes of the house of Judah and the house of Israel i e ALL the SONS 12 tribes of Israel Jacob Ezek 36 22 28 speaks of a re gathering from the nations plural and all the lands prior to a sanctification process v25 28 Jeremiah prophesies Again you will plant vineyards on the hills of Samaria the farmers will plant them and enjoy their fruit 31 5 This cannot possibly refer to the return from Babylon Indeed the Jews were outcasts from Samaria the West Bank so called even in Jesus day And the re gathering is from all points of the compass See I will bring them from the land of the north and gather them from the ends of the earth Among them will be the blind and the lame expectant mothers and women in labor a great throng will return They will come with weeping they will pray as I bring them back I will lead them beside streams of water on a level path where they will not stumble because I am Israel s father and Ephraim is my firstborn son Hear the word of the LORD O nations proclaim it in distant coastlands He who scattered Israel will gather them and will watch over his flock like a shepherd For the LORD will ransom Jacob and redeem them from the hand of those stronger than they 31 8 11 Donald Boyd 09 07 2009 16 33 Sorry Clive but nothing that you have quoted proves that Ezek 37 11 14 cannot possibly refer to the return from Babylon Cannot possibly is a strong opinion which merits plain exegesis to prove it instead of mere assertion Ezek 37 11 14 is the Lord s explanation of what Ezekiel saw in the valley The Lord says it is about the Jews who are alive in Ezekiel s day and who say that their hope is lost v11 Ezekiel is to tell them that the Lord will bring them into the land of Israel v12 Ezek 37 15ff is a separate word from the Lord with another message It is evident that the latter part of the chapter finds its fulfilment in New Testament times Ian Allan Guest 09 07 2009 18 01 Sorry Donald but to draw a line of millennia of history between one sentence and the next forget about verse numbers these were inserted by man without proof is lacking in honesty to the Word Chapter 37 and I only quote the ch for reference purposes follows on from Chapter 36 I am not being facetious which in turn speaks time and again about the scattering throughout the nations plural not Babylon However I do not believe that a Christian s view on God s latter day purposes can be

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  • Christians Together : Israel's 60th birthday
    and prayer items and futher meetings are under consideration For futher information click here Ed footnote A vital key in understanding the above is to examine God s covenants with a view to distinguish between those that are conditional and others that are unconditional particulary comparing the Abrahamic and Mosaic covenants Christians Together 08 05 2008 Tags Israel Middle East Feedback Leo Rose Guest 02 05 2010 22 00 No question about it the bible is absolutely clear the Lord promised the land of Israel as an inheritance to the Israelites It is after all called The Promised Land The significance of Israel in the scriptures is primarily twofold 1 the people the Lord would bring forth the Messiah from the people of Israel and 2 the Messiah would be born in the land of Israel He would live and minster in Israel He would offer His life for the sins of the world in Israel He would raise again in Israel He would ascend from the Mount of Olives in Israel and according to Zechariah 14 4 Jesus the Messiah will return to Israel and will set up His earthly kingdom on which He will rule and reign for 1 000 years from Israel So what about all this fuss to either remove Israel from the land or divide the land into a two state territory In Deuteronomy chapter 23 the Lord told Moses to instruct the Israelites that they should make peace with certain nations and others they were not to permit to dwell in the land They were to accept peace treaties with Egypt because Egypt permitted Israel to dwell in the land of Goshen during a global famine Israel was also to make peace with the Edomites because they were their brothers through Esau the son of Isaac and the brother of Jacob Esau showed kindness to Jacob later in life However Israel was not to permit the Ammonites or Moabites dwell in the land Why Ammonites were the descendents of Ammon the son of the incestuous relations of Lot and one of his daughters The Ammonites settled in the areas of the Negev South of Israel and they opposed Israel when Israel needed to pass through their land to get from Egypt to the Promised Land The Moabites were the descendents of Moab the son of Lot and his incestuous relations with his second daughter The Moabites settled just east of the Jordan River and Dead Sea in what is called the plains of Moab This was known as Trans Jordan The Moabites and Midianites under the direction of their king Balak resisted the Israelites and fought in battle against Israel They lost Moab with a little help from Balaam caused Israel to commit the sins of sexual immorality and idolatry According to Genesis 12 1 3 after promising a specific piece of real estate to the nation Israel the Lord said And I will bless them that bless thee Israel and I will curse

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  • Christians Together : Israel, the world and the church
    east and gather you from the west I will say to the north Give them up and to the south Do not hold them back Bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the ends of the earth Isaiah 43 5 6 The Present God has increasingly over the last 50 years gathered the Jews back to Israel He has said that he will use hunters and fishermen persecution and inducements in the process Note 2 This has been especially evident in the holocaust and the re creation of the modern state of Israel through a 2 3rds majority vote by the United Nations in 1947 However the Jews have been and are being gathered in unbelief and God has said of His plans for The Future I will sprinkle clean water on you and you will be clean I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws Ezek 36 25 And all for the sake of God s holy Name Then the nations will know that I am the LORD declares the Sovereign LORD when I show myself holy through you before their eyes Ezek 36 23b God continues In those days and at that time when I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem I will gather all nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat There I will enter into judgment against them concerning my inheritance my people Israel for they scattered my people among the nations diaspora and divided up partitioned my land Joel 3 1 2 He also warns On that day I will set out to destroy all the nations that attack Jerusalem Zech 12 9 And He will ultimately open the Jewish eyes to the Messiah I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication They will look on me the one they have pierced and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son Zech 12 10 Meanwhile GOD has given some guidance to the Gentile church regards what should be the Christian s attitude to his ancient people If some of the branches the Jews have been broken off and you Gentile Christians though a wild olive shoot have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root do not boast over those branches If you do consider this You do not support the root but the root supports you You will say then Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in Granted But they

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  • Christians Together : The Anti-Semitic disease
    way too The legal enforcement of Russian anti Semitism became a model for the subsequent Soviet system of internal control which can be understood as an extension to the population as a whole of laws that once oppressed Jews only The aftereffects including rampant corruption are still to be felt at all levels of Russian society today But the most notable victim of anti Semitism was Germany under Hitler Among historians it is still considered morally essential to demonize Hitler and to condemn unreservedly everything he and the Nazis did But there are compelling reasons quite apart from the interests of objective scholarship why this should end Hitler was not a demon but a human being just as were Attila and Barbarossa Luther and Wallenstein Frederick the Great and Bismarck Though from a humble background and poorly educated Hitler possessed a fierce intelligence a strong artistic imagination and great powers of articulation His career as a soldier in World War I testified to his courage and everything he caused to happen afterward showed a strength of will rare at any time To this he added formidable organizational powers the capacity to inspire loyalty strategic clarity balanced by tactical flexibility and oratory of a high order spiced with a valuable talent for making people laugh His creation virtually from scratch of a nationwide mass political party that he drove forward to electoral victory in what was then perhaps the best educated country in the world all in little over a decade has few parallels in the history of politics All this bears witness to Hitler s abilities As for his criminal defects and deformations we are rightly aware of them his inveterate thuggishness and brutality his narrow chauvinism his seemingly unappeasable lust for conquest and domination And above all his anti Semitism which while exacting its toll in millions of innocent human lives in the end proved fatal to his own world conquering ambitions It is not clear from the record exactly how why and when Hitler became a strident anti Semite What is clear is that by the early 1920 s he was already a violent hater of Jews As time went on his anti Semitism grew until it took entire possession of his intellect and became the dominant factor in all his strategies and decisions It is often assumed that Hitler s anti Semitism helped pave his way to office I have never seen any convincing attempt to prove this with detailed statistical arguments In Austria and parts of southern Germany anti Semitism was indeed widespread But in central and northern Germany Jews were well assimilated and performed obvious services there anti Semitism had to be incited My own belief considering Germany as a whole is that Hitler s anti Semitism along with the street brawling to which it led was rather an obstacle to electoral victory It repelled more voters than it attracted and diverted attention from the four policies that undoubtedly put him in a position to win large numbers of votes his absolute opposition to the terms of the Versailles treaty his radical call for an end to the Weimar economic system which had promoted hyperinflation and so stripped the middle class of its savings his equally radical proposals for ending mass unemployment and not least his vehement hostility to Communism which most Germans hated and feared If Hitler achieved power not because of but despite his anti Semitism once he was in power his unrelenting obsession with the Jews corroded his judgment at every turn His increasingly violent persecution of Jews also alienated other nations whose publics might otherwise have been won over to at least some of his aggressive demands in foreign policy So central was anti Semitism to his view of the world that the repugnance of others merely confirmed for him the existence of the very Jewish conspiracy against which he had warned for many years It was this same conspiracy he threatened that would be to blame for any war that might break out and this war would in turn provide both occasion and justification for implementing his final solution to the Jewish problem Anti Semitism thus led Hitler to fight a needless war against Britain and France and then military dominance having been effectively achieved in mainland Europe to extend the war in such a way that he could not possibly win it He invaded the Soviet Union his formerly compliant and quiescent ally thereby giving Germany a war on two fronts precisely the configuration he once argued had been fatal to Germany s chances in World War I Then when Japan attacked the United States in December 1941 he made the totally irrational decision to declare war on America Both these acts of madness bore the marks of a collapse of judgment brought on by the intellectual disease of anti Semitism the first of them pursued in order to extend the final solution eastward and the second out of the lunatic notion that the rulers of the United States were themselves a key component of the Jewish world conspiracy At the beginning of 1941 Hitler had been in a position of enormous global power at the end of it his country s eventual defeat and his own annihilation were certain As an example of the self destructive force of anti Semitism the case of Hitler and Nazi Germany is paralleled only by what has happened to the Arabs over the course of the last century The year 1917 saw both the issuance in London of the Balfour Declaration authorizing the creation of a Jewish national home in Palestine and the wartime British occupation of Jerusalem followed thereafter by an international mandate to govern the country In the Balfour Declaration the British pledged to use their best endeavors to further the national home project but without prejudice to the rights of the existing inhabitants At this stage many Zionists themselves did not necessarily envisage a sovereign Jewish state emerging in

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  • Christians Together : Jerusalem, the Jews and their destiny
    by Steve Taylor on his recent trip to Israel with an equally evocative musical accompaniment and finishing with the word of God Needs flash player to run and the file might take a moment or two to load See also Israel the World and the Church for God s word on these vital issues Steve Taylor 13 12 2007 Tags Israel Jews Feedback Ingrid Guest 15 12 2007 20 59

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  • Christians Together : A letter to the Church of Scotland
    which depended for its continuance entirely on God not on God and man together as in a bilateral covenant God is forever faithful to what he promises and never breaks his covenant promise If God could or would break his covenant of grace with Israel how could we as Christians ever have the confidence that God would keep and not break his covenant of grace with us when we sin God never breaks his covenant of grace Certainly we will not enjoy any more than Israel the blessings of God s covenant of grace if we do not obey him There is nothing automatic about our or Israel s receiving God s salvation God has given us freedom to accept or reject him and his salvation Israel was warned many times that if the people rejected God they would suffer and be driven from the Land of Promise This happened in 586BC when they were taken captive to Babylon and in AD 70 when the Temple was destroyed and Israel ceased to be a nation Even so God said that he would never abandon them or break his covenant Leviticus 26 44 45 God said It is not for your sake O house of Israel that I am going to do these things but for the sake of my holy name which you have profaned among the nations where you have gone For I will take you out of the nations I will gather you from all the countries and bring you back into your own Land I will sprinkle clean water on you and you will be clean I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you Then you will loathe yourselves for your sins and detestable practices Ezekiel 36 22 32 See also Isaiah 11 10 11 43 5 6 In the Land they would repent and return to him Something of that is happening today in the rise of Messianic congregations in Israel Other Christians wish to argue that because Christ has come and fulfilled all the OT promises so everything concerning Israel the Law and the Land has been transcended and spiritualised God has a continuing purpose for Israel but only in her dispersion throughout the world Because everything has been spiritualised in Christ God has ceased to be concerned about a particular nation or particular Land The Land of Israel has been spiritualised to become the whole world See Colin Chapman or Gary Bruge Again this is a misunderstanding of scripture The Law that is the moral law the laws of worship concerning priests and sacrifices together with the social laws have certainly been fulfilled and transcended in Christ In the Sermon on the Mount Jesus drew out the higher implications of the moral and social laws The laws of worship have been fulfilled and replaced because Christ alone is our High Priest and baptism and Holy Communion have replaced the earlier sacraments of OT worship such as circumcision and

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  • Christians Together : The Destiny of Britain
    to be a nation for nineteen hundred years become a nation and a state once more in the Promised Land Clearly God is at work What he is about to do can only keep us on our tiptoes in expectation Rev David W Torrance senior Church of Scotland minister and author The Destiny of Britain was actually to be he restorer of Israel the Cyrus nation in the sovereign purposes of God in preparation for the return of Israel s King and Messiah our Lord Jesus Christ Kelvin Crombie Australian author and historian in Israel 2007 marks the 90th anniversary of the Balfour Declaration and the beginning of British rule over the historic Land of Israel During the previous three centuries a broad vision developed in the Church in Great Britain for the full restoration of the Jewish people which included their return to their Biblical homeland This vision supported by great Christian revivalists and Bible teachers such as the Wesley brothers Charles Simeon Robert Murray McCheyne C H Spurgeon and Bishop J C Ryle was based on the Covenants of Promise as well as other prophetic Scriptures found in the Bible Many Christians were inspired to pray for the fulfillment of this vision and prominent leaders in England and Scotland including William Wilberforce Lord Palmerston and Lord Shaftesbury influenced the British government to support the restoration of the Jewish people to their Promised Land In The Destiny of Britain Australian author Kelvin Crombie together with Israeli academics and British churchmen presents the story of how this outworking of Britain s Christian heritage was intertwined with her geo political objective in the Middle East to maintain access to her Eastern Empire In the same way as Cyrus the King of the ancient Persian Empire was caused to facilitate the return

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  • Christians Together : Orthodox Jew dreams about the Messiah
    their Commander are the Jewish patriarchs Abraham Isaac and Jacob Behind them are the Godly Jewish women Miriam Ruth Sarah and Queen Esther Then I see King David and King Solomon and with them the prophet Elijah and his servant Elisha They are all alive Light is shining from them They are riding horses This mighty army of the Lord numbers into the tens of thousands They are ascending from heaven to the Mt of Olives here in Jerusalem Their Commander is wearing a Hebrew tallit which says on it King of Kings He has fire in His eyes I suddenly realize I am seeing our Jewish Messiah Lord I said Who are you He replied calling me by my first name Moishe I am the one the prophets spoke about Do you have a Name I asked Him They call me The Champion Then He said to me Moishe I died for you I love you Tell your Jewish family and your friends about Me Tell them I am coming soon For there will be worship and praise in all Israel just as it was in the days of King David Then I wake up with the words Moishe I love you I am coming soon ringing in my ears My wife Esther tells me Moishe go to the rabbis Tell them about your dream I have since met with dozens of Rabbis here in Israel They all differ in their opinions Some say There is no Messiah coming on a white horse Its only a dream Moishe No Army from Heaven will save us from our enemies Go home Forget your dream Standing with me that day listening to Moishe tell us his story were my singers our dancers and several pastors and their wives who were part of our five fold ministry outreach team One pastor named Brad said Moishe There is a Champion coming to Israel and you re right He will return riding upon a white horse Listen to what John reveals to us in the Book of Revelation And I saw heaven opened and behold a white horse and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True and in righteousness he doth judge and make war His eyes were as a flame of fire On his head were many crowns Revelation 19 12 Pastor Brad asked Moishe Is this the Messiah you saw in your dream Tears formed in his eyes Yes It s Him he said God has given you this dream I added You believe in the same Messiah we believe in You just don t know His name His name is Jesus He came the first time to die for the sins of the world He is coming back as the Lion of the tribe of Judah You can call him by his Hebrew name Y shua He is alive I said Do you want to ask Him to come in your life and be your Lord and Savior

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